Episode 32 – No More 90-hour work weeks: How Catherine Roe Built a Balanced, Successful Tax Practice

Jamie Gruol: Welcome back to this episode of Diary of a Tax Practice Owner. I have Catherine Roe. Catherine Roe is one of our workflows for Tax Pros clients, but she also has taken a very exciting turn and she had us nodding yes from the moment that we saw the title of her book. No more. 24 7 entrepreneurs take your life back. Honestly, we felt like we could have written that ourselves, put in tax pro in there. , but like us, she has built a business around the radical idea that you can run a successful practice without running yourself into the ground.

, she’s the founder of Cowart Row, CPA, A virtual firm and Cowart Row Academy, where she teaches business efficiency and financial literacy to entrepreneurs who want more clarity, more confidence, and more time.

 She’s spoken on time and energy management at the LCPA Women’s Leadership Conference, and she’s about to launch the No More 24 7 course, which is a guided experience that brings her bestselling book to life with weekly sessions, action steps and real support.

We love that she’s not just talking about boundaries and sustainability, she’s actually building tools to help entrepreneurs live them out. So Catherine, I am so glad to have you here today and to talk about this very important conversation with our audience that listen to this podcast because let me tell you, these people, they’re living that life.

They, they want no more 24 7 too. So I’m excited to have you.

Catherine Roe: Thank.

Jamie Gruol: Well, this is so great because I, I think, we created this podcast to share the journey that someone that steps into that entrepreneurial role can take. Right? Like, it, it is not one that we all set out to have. I know myself, I did not. I went like the the should route.

Job house, MBA higher title job, higher paid job, all of those things. I never expected to actually go out on my own and be an entrepreneur. And so when you don’t have solid, , role models in that, it’s so hard to know how to do that. But I would love to start today’s conversation. With how you ended up in this position, like where did you start, how did you fall into accounting and, and what was the journey that led you to writing a book about how to not work 24 7 and help others?

Catherine Roe: Yeah, absolutely. So for me, I, in my entire professional career, I’ve always been an accountant. , but in school it’s tough. When you’re 17 and you’re. Thrust into college and suddenly you are making a decision that you’re being told is going to affect the rest of your life. Well, you get your degree in.

That is the end all. Be all.

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: I’m not gonna say that accounting is bad or anything, but we’re living in a society now where that’s changed. Anything can springboard into something else. Or you can keep adding on. So while I’m still an accountant, there are other things that I’m doing.

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: just like what you said, I started out in, in the corporate world, where you’re just, climbing the ladder or just kind of stuck in it, trying to figure out where do I fit in?

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: my place in all of this and working in that, big accounting firm environment, I never really felt like I found my personal place where I felt like I was making an impactful difference for anyone, myself or any of the clients that I was working on. Which honestly just, kind of seemed like, listing a spreadsheet on the computer because. I never really, had much interaction with them.

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: it was just, oh, I’m the staff, this is what we need. And that was kind of the end of the conversation there.

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: I actually reached a place where started to question whether accounting was even for me,

Jamie Gruol: Oh, interesting. How did you,

Catherine Roe: gotten my license then too,

Jamie Gruol: oh, wow. How did you end up in the accounting in the first place? Was it, I mean, like for me, my dad was a CFO of a hospital. He never got a CPA, but he worked as an accountant and in the, the staff accounting role for many different organizations. , and so it was kind of always the thing that I was exposed to because of him.

, and when I went to college, it was like the easiest thing for me to do and I was like, oh, well this is easy and it must mean that I’m good at it. So I went with it and got my degree. But what was your journey?

Catherine Roe: I didn’t even really know what accounting was when I

Jamie Gruol: Oh,

Catherine Roe: school.

Jamie Gruol: interesting.

Catherine Roe: much about it at all. I thought that I was gonna be a lawyer. I realized at some point that the market was oversaturated and that it probably wouldn’t be the best entry point. And my mom actually told me, she said, well, the reality is. can get any degree for

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: and then go into law school. Nothing to Fred over yet. So she suggested business. She’s like, this is pretty stable business. Seems like a good idea. And so I went with it. I ended up having three major changes and a lot of people, Fred, over that it’s not really that big of a deal. life and if you find something works better. Then you go for it. So I started out poli sci , I was actually going to get a minor. , I can tell that story in a second. When I switched, I switched to business and I was like, I’m gonna do something more specific because at least I’m have something real specific. And I ended up double majoring in business administration and accounting. Accounting is what I picked because I would kind of narrowed it down between finance and accounting. And I didn’t like math. That’s like the biggest joke. So other accountants would get that. , other people kind of just, stare at me like I’m the worst accountant in the world for making jokes like that

Jamie Gruol: Accounting for me is a puzzle, right? Like it’s a,

Catherine Roe: Yeah.

Jamie Gruol: yeah,

Catherine Roe: things go?

Jamie Gruol: yeah. Absolutely. That’s what I loved about it.

Catherine Roe: like that aspect. The organizing where things fit. balance sheet, it’s in balance, 

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: you know when it’s right or

Jamie Gruol: Sensible.

Catherine Roe: so that kind of stuff. So I liked that and , that’s how I ended up in accounting and just kind of continued and stuck with it. I did not end up getting the poli sci minor. I was one or two classes shy. I was on a good progression for that. And, uh, one of the professors me some kind of lecture about, why are you here? When I asked her if I could have a different date for a test, because it was the date of a major interview for an

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position at a large accounting firm.

Jamie Gruol: oh.

Catherine Roe: never forget that. That’s like the only really bad experience I kind of had in college at that level. And I just, I was like, I’m done with this. I would’ve had to take more of her classes.

Jamie Gruol: Hmm.

Catherine Roe: ’cause going to school just to go to school is not gonna help anyone.

Jamie Gruol: Right.

Catherine Roe: So many people go to school without a plan just because they think it’s a thing to do.

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: It’s not always the thing to do.

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: you’re gonna school for a reason, that is your reason.

Jamie Gruol: Right, right. Yeah, that’s, it’s unfortunate that she was so rigid in that because you think that they would. Support and celebrate, especially something like a big interview based on all the hard work that you had done to get to that point and that they would have a little bit of flexibility, but that’s too bad that it left a bad, bad taste.

Yeah, it’s a lesson, right? But it’s taught you how to, choose different in your path. So I love that. Okay, so you graduated and you went to, did you go into like the public route and.

Catherine Roe: I never did big four. I’m actually glad because for one thing, you get honed in

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: specific niches very early on, and if that’s not what’s right for you,

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: It’s not gonna work. I work primarily with small businesses. I never would’ve got that because they work with major corporations and so it’s kind of kind of a blessing. Everyone said that’s the way to go. Everyone said you have to do that. And at a minimum you have to go to a public accounting firm, which isn’t always true for everybody. Hmm. And it was kind of like all these pressures, you have to do this, you have to do that. This is the approach to take. And , I have a friend who, she was bragging on social media at one point about working 90 hours.

She had an 89 hour, like for her two weeks, or no, it was for one week I think. Yeah, it was one week,

Jamie Gruol: Oh,

Catherine Roe: hours.

Jamie Gruol: that’s exactly why I didn’t go the public route. I was like, that is not a lifestyle I want. I I, it was just like when I heard that, and it’s not that I’m afraid of work, right, but it was, I was afraid of that kind of work, that expectation of grinding and hustling , and basically being. Anything and everything to your clients like that.

That was not my, and naturally that was not my calling. So, I, I’m similar to you. I did not go that route, so.

Catherine Roe: they’re sticking it out and then there’s being It’s a bragging right.

Jamie Gruol: Right. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. So you went into a, did you go into a smaller public firm or where, what was your next step?

Catherine Roe: So I worked at large local firms, both in New Orleans and in Houston. I wanted to, I wanted to feel that, see that real big corporate vibe

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: and I thought that’s what it was. It just seemed cold though, and

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: uh, it was better the smaller I. Local firms than the real big, because

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: it was pretty similar to to that big four environment. And don’t get me wrong, if that works for people, it works.

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: something

Jamie Gruol: Everyone has their own journey.

Catherine Roe: anyone that’s gonna go the route of, should I start my own firm? Should I start my own practice? It could be that, that just, that’s not your place and that

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: new for you.

Jamie Gruol: Yeah. Was there a moment that you were like, okay, it’s time for me to go out on my own? Like what? What was that moment?

Catherine Roe: I never thought that I would own one business, let alone do multiple different things. I was one of those where it just kind of, fell, into my lap. knew that public accounting as I knew it was not gonna be for me anymore. And I started looking for jobs in industry. I worked at a couple of really great places, really enjoyed that. But it was still, you’re sitting in an office building and that’s your life. It’s nine to five. You’re just there every day. And that’s, that’s kind of end all, be all. Nothing’s gonna change except your title and your pay.

Jamie Gruol: Slowly.

Catherine Roe: the same place. Yeah. I don’t mean that to be bad, because sometimes people like that.

Jamie Gruol: Yeah. The, the stability.

Catherine Roe: and they fit that mold. But I started taking on, little things on the side. First it was just because people needed help

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: then I ended up starting to, see, hey, what could this be?

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: And grow that. I had a couple of people tell me, oh, you’d never, be able to, survive full-time on your own and it would take years and years

Jamie Gruol: It’s no way.

Catherine Roe: that up. And then the reality is, it was just a couple years and COVID changed everything.

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: suddenly, virtual is, more accepted

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: even at this point. And you can run a firm online.

Jamie Gruol: Yeah, a hundred percent. You can live wherever you want. You can work from the beach. Like it, it’s, you can have that lifestyle that you want, you no longer scripted to the, the box of the old school. Right. Like, and it was a very firm box. It, it’s crazy. It’s crazy. So,

Catherine Roe: have an office now,

Jamie Gruol: oh, congratulations.

Catherine Roe: firm,

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: so that, that’s for us, that’s

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: and it helps to work in person and be together, and we like that, feel. But it’s virtual firm, so that’s just kind of like our zone. And I, and I think that kind of ground has kind of helped keep us from being just locked away on the computer because suddenly if you’re just locked away, sitting at the computer, whether you’re at the beach in a cubicle, anywhere, that is your new prison.

Jamie Gruol: Right,

Catherine Roe: Yeah.

Jamie Gruol: A hundred percent. So you went out on your own and you built your firm. It’s been very successful. But, uh, it sounds to me like maybe you. I learned at some point that what you were building was not necessarily what you wanted. Was there, was there a story behind that?

Catherine Roe: so it wasn’t so much like there’s some kind of big epiphany moment, aside from maybe slowly realizing over time that. When you fall into something and you don’t have a plan, right?

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: like you plan for it. ’cause there are people that will say, I’m gonna start a business. They set up a plan, you have a business plan, all that stuff. All the things that you do when you start your second one, because you didn’t do it the first time. And it just kind of, when everything grows. It can grow too fast. It can go crazy. That’s one thing that, we see with our clients in accounting. When they start to grow, real big things fall to the wayside.

Usually it’s accounting and then they’re trying to find a CPA begging you for help. Please get me on track. We,, didn’t have the resources before. Come help us now,

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: deal. It was a lot of that not having intentionality with things,

Jamie Gruol: Right.

Catherine Roe: setting certain processes and limitations in place early on, that it can be really tough to come back from.

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: You have to do it. You have to set your boundaries

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: figure all that out. It’s tough. It’s

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: when you don’t do it from the beginning, but it can be done.

Jamie Gruol: Well, and I think when people start in the beginning, there’s this. Urgency to just make it succeed. Right? And you, you even saw that probably as you were building your side hustle, right? Like, you’re like, oh, maybe this will be something, and you’re like, oh, this is sparking into maybe an actual little tiny fire.

And then you’re like, okay, I need to feed the fire to make it a bonfire. And so you just, you do anything in everything that’s necessary to get that thing off the ground because you’re now, once you commit, it’s like, now I have to make my paycheck. I have to like make the money come in the door. And so you kind of do sacrifice those boundaries.

And also you just don’t have the experience for it because when you’re coming out of a firm, that firm owner went through that same cycle and had to learn what are boundaries, who do I wanna work with? And, and that just comes with time. So I think it’s a natural progression, but there’s a point where someone wakes up and they’re like, crap, I’m building something.

And sometimes it’s two years in, sometimes it’s 20 years in and they’re like, I built something that is not. Fueling me. It’s degrading my life. And that is what you sounds like, started learning yourself. What kind of things, like how did you start? ’cause you said you, you’ve built this framework for yourself and now you’re teaching others the framework you started, but how did you start building and dissecting what this no more 24 7 framework can look like?

Catherine Roe: Well, when I decided that I wanted to write a book. had some ideas and this was what kind of fell together and

Jamie Gruol: Mm.

Catherine Roe: of fell in a chronological order and I realized I didn’t even know how crazy things were before

Jamie Gruol: For you

Catherine Roe: I. For

Jamie Gruol: or for others? Ah.

Catherine Roe: and it was kind of a realization throughout, it’s not just an instruction manual.

It, has, my true experiences, the things I did right and wrong, as well as other, other professionals that I spoke with and interacted with, and I was able to get their stories. And I’m glad to be able to share those with other people too, because, we’re all in this together. We all have made mistakes, we’ve all done great things, and we’ll

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: to do both, all of us. And, and

Jamie Gruol: Yep.

Catherine Roe: the, that’s the struggle, is understanding, learning to accept that and then moving forward, moving through that.

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I, I think that’s so critical, and I think it’s also like when you’re in those like super stressed. Almost on the verge of burnout, right? Like you, you’re building something and you, you just go heads down, you kind of blinders on. You stop imagining, you stop dreaming, you stop thinking this can get better, and you just are literally like one fire after the next and you just keep doing right.

And so when you don’t ever let yourself just be, ’cause you’re always doing, you can’t actually evaluate. , where have I been and where do I actually want to go? And that’s when you can just take those micro pivots into that next phase, that next chapter. , and it, it, I’m guessing when you had reevaluated, was it a long journey for you to like make the improvements, to get things back to where you want them to be rather than just the doing?

Catherine Roe: It’s, I can say that it’s tougher the longer you’ve been doing things the wrong way to

Jamie Gruol: Mm,

Catherine Roe: To the point where, let’s say if somebody, , had decades and they wanted to suddenly change, like people who say that everyone comes into the office, everyone wants to physically sign their return, and that’s how you’ve been doing it.

And that’s everyone.

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: a lot tougher than. Starting out and you have, 20 to 50 clients that are, possibly even from a different generation

Jamie Gruol: Right.

Catherine Roe: get them into, , that mindset of the electronics better.

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: only having to sell to a few people.

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: oh, this is more convenient for you, 

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: really what you wanna sell.

You wanna sell that is more convenient for the client. really should be. And

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: the whole, the whole point of it, especially, being in a service based business. So I would say it really, it’s tough because there’s little things

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: each thing is a different struggle.

Making sure that you’re not just looking at your email all day long. one thing that’s still a struggle. That’s still

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: for me. I could sit there and watch the next problem, come in the next one, and,

Jamie Gruol: And.

Catherine Roe: that’s a thank you. glad for that one. All day long it’s, , it’s easy to get caught up in that.

So, a lot of it’s setting plans in place, but then realizing that, it’s not gonna always, you’re not gonna always make the right decision,

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: do you react and come back from that? That’s the most important thing.

Jamie Gruol: Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. So number one, it it, it’s making those micro shifts. What would you say are maybe one or two other things that people can do to start, I. Pulling their heads out of the, I won’t say out of the sand, but that’s kind of the analogy that’s coming to my my mind because a lot of people just don’t even realize that they’ve done stuck their heads in the sand.

So what are some other things that people could do to start realizing that they can start making the pivot away from 24 7 mm.

Catherine Roe: I think a lot of people. Just think they don’t have time. problem when you think you don’t have time to make change is that you’re never gonna end up with the time.

Jamie Gruol: No.

Catherine Roe: to hire someone, you needed to hire them a long time ago and it, and you don’t have time to train them now, you gotta make it.

You gotta make the time and get that to happen. There’s gonna be some sacrifice to starting out to get things back on track, and it’s temporary though. That’s the

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: When you’re just sitting in the grind with no end in sight, that’s a totally different feeling of hopelessness and , lost

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: if you are on track.

You have a plan and a goal, and once you meet X level, then you can level up it’s just, it’s a different, different approach to a different mindset. Yes, you might have to put more effort into something right now, but. It’s gonna make things easier later.

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: that’s the whole thing. Keeping that end goal in sight.

Jamie Gruol: Yeah. How has technology. Allowed you to achieve working less,

Catherine Roe: Technology is good and bad and realizing which and when is. It’s an art and that’s really what everything boils down to.

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: You can misuse anything.

Jamie Gruol: Sure.

Catherine Roe: let’s say early on, and this is actually a story that I have in the book. Early on when I started I had, less than 20 clients right now. I wasn’t even really trying and kept track of everything in Google Drive.

Jamie Gruol: Sure.

Catherine Roe: Drive, there’s a folder for every single client. And you know what? If let’s say you just have five clients, 20 is probably too much for that even.

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: clients, it’s not that hard. You do

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: engagement letter, you write their address and their name and make it all pretty, send it out.

DocuSign, you do that five times, that’s really not that much. But if you have 150 clients and you’re doing that, , the. The number I came up with from one year to the next was two working weeks. I wasted on engagement letters in one year. Isn’t that lovely? That, and then this is the real kicker. Okay. Have not even started the engagement, have not started anything that is income generating at that point. Wasted two weeks, not income generating. . Doesn’t really seem good.

Jamie Gruol: No. No.

Catherine Roe: when I realized I need different options.

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: And then I found Tax Dome and I was like, this can do everything,

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: all the things.

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: is email tax, software, and tax dome. Honestly, for the most part, I

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: have some specialty softwares that do fund stuff, but that’s a big selling point in my book. You gotta have your, your email domain package,

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: and then any kind of specialized industry software like tax software if

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: In accounting.

Jamie Gruol: Yeah, a hundred percent,

Catherine Roe: that’s really what you need. And then when you can build that out, then you have it working for you.

Jamie Gruol: right. Well, you start carving back that time slow, like it doesn’t happen overnight, as we know. ’cause you need the systems, the strategy, the structure to make the tool do what you want it to do. But once you start putting that in place for each of the. Major service lines that you have and the, having things more organized.

Like you start getting back an hour here, an hour there, two weeks here, two weeks there, right. And it’s like all of a sudden it’s multiplying and you’re like, wow, I can double my capacity because now I have everything streamlined and I’m, a systems first approach. Because then I can scale and build as I choose, right?

Like you can start pulling the lever that feed in more clients, or you bring on a team member who can take on more capacity, like, and you just turn on the lever for leads and, and off it goes. Right? Like that, that is so powerful in, in a. Any business, and especially in tax practices and accounting practices, because there is such demand right now with all of the older generations, cutting back their books and, and retiring and, and just dropping out of the face of the earth and, and the younger generations are having to pick that slack up.

And so you, you have to have those systems in place. To work streamlined. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: Absolutely.

Jamie Gruol: Cool. So what would you like, how would you wrap this up? What would you give someone as a next step or a first step if they’re feeling where you were, like the, the person that needs to read your book, what would you say to them today to help them?

Catherine Roe: get the book. We have a program that we are launching on June 2nd,

Jamie Gruol: Cool.

Catherine Roe: having different cohorts. So there, there’ll be, another one, we have a self study version too, but that’s. Kind of the live kind of community feel where we have a weekly Zoom for six weeks. And what I really enjoy about the live one is that everyone is together. And what I’ve seen in the past is we all get these realizations, me included you

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: that everyone’s in it together. We’re all in

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: in different industries, in the same one that we all deal with the same struggles and. It closes off that place where you feel alone,

Jamie Gruol: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Catherine Roe: enough. I’m embarrassed that I’m doing this wrong. But then suddenly it’s, you’re not the only one

Jamie Gruol: Yeah.

Catherine Roe: everybody has the same struggles and you, we are just, trying to find our way, trying to

Jamie Gruol: Yeah. So often the people that step into owning tax and accounting firms and, and even the small businesses, they have a technical skill and they say, I can go and start something. And so they build that technical skill, but they just basically are building themselves a really. Heavy job

Catherine Roe: Right.

Jamie Gruol: initially, right?

And so when you come outta that and you start stepping into the entrepreneurial step like thought or mindset, like you, it is so helpful to have others around you. And I, I, I highly encourage people to think that way because I know myself like. Being exposed to other people and hearing their struggles and, and hearing their successes even inspires me to keep trying and morphing and experimenting in my own business, whether they’re, someone that does the exact same thing or as me or someone that owns a landscaping business.

Like we can all learn from each other. And, , just knowing that you are not alone to your point, is so valuable. Well, I think it. Such a needed thing in the industry, and I’m so excited that you’ve launched this book that you’re launching your program. , so where can people go and learn more about you?

Maybe pick up your book and, and start reading so they can start joining the, the Catherine Roe Environment.

Catherine Roe: So the book is on Amazon no more, 24 7. I’ve got. Right here,

Jamie Gruol: Beautiful, congratulations.

Catherine Roe: can be, uh, also found on the website, coward row academy.com. And also in there is the program information. We’ve got some freebies you can sign up for, newsletter to get updates. We have some new things that we’re gonna be pumping out some of ’em. More financial literacy based and some more things that are related to the no more 24 7 2. So

Jamie Gruol: Cool.

Catherine Roe: a little bit of new things coming up. Surprises.

Jamie Gruol: Love it. Well, and if you, I mean, if you feel like your business is humming in your practice and, and you have, uh, clients that are small business owners, and you may wanna turn them on to Catherine’s, uh, world because she can help them. Kind of get their stuff in order without you having to be their business coach, as their financial professional as well.

So that is another way to look at this. So, well, Catherine, this has been so fascinating. I’m so excited for you and, , do go check out Catherine’s website. We’ll have it below the, or in the podcast here in the show notes. So do make sure you go in and get her book, support her and learn from her. ’cause she has obviously built something that has allowed her to not only run a very successful practice, but now.

Build a second business in helping others sharing her knowledge. So congratulations. Thank you for being here and for everyone listening, we look forward to seeing you on the next episode of Diary of a Tax Practice Owner, where we’ll be sharing more stories, just like Catherine’s hoping to inspire you to build a business and a life that you love.

So thanks for being here. We’ll see you all again next time.

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